Sex Matters has written to the senior leadership of Marks & Spencer (M&S) to warn the company that its policy of advertising male and female changing rooms but then operating them as mixed-sex facilities could amount to indirect discrimination and harassment towards women.
My god the BRAZEN LYING from M&S. We all know that it has always til very recently titled its changing rooms clearly by sex. And some still do, as you have shown. I’ll gladly go to court about thjs.
I’d also say that M&S typically have different floors and areas for male and female clothing, so for men to use the changing area in the women’s clothing section is bizarre or blasé
I think you misunderstand… the men (that are problematic) would be trying on women’s clothes. If they have to take their selection to a different floor, in order to try them on… that’s a problem for the store (a very small, tiny problem), as well as the man (or e.g. trans-woman). Though I agree that men should not be permitted into a women’s changing room, I also feel men should get to try any clothes they like… I guess a third space (unisex) needs to be provided, at least on the women’s wear floor.
Okay, wow, now everyone is misunderstanding me! Pippa: there is undoubtedly a small minority of men, who shop for women's clothes. Otherwise there wouldn't be this whole gender/trans mishigas. Lisa: I don't advocate for men to use women's spaces, nor even to have a third space. I just pointed out that if a man is shopping for dresses, and wants to try one on, and there's no men's changing room nearby (or even on the same floor), it is the store's option to have a third space (or a men's changing room on the women's floor) to accommodate that man, to get the sale. (Or they could let these men take their chosen dress to a different floor, where the men's changing rooms are) The store should of course be free to ignore the needs of such men, and lose the sale (not that it would amount to much in losses). No doubt I agree with this: men should not be changing in the women's changing rooms!
Why should the store have to pay for a third space?? This is the same argument being made to museums, libraries, concert halls, gyms, etc., that they have to pony up money to accommodate these delusional, predatory men.
No.
Men go to men's rooms and women to women's. I don't care how "inconvenient" it is for these cockfrockers.
NEXT stores also operate mixed sex changing areas. I’ve visited Meadowhall and Lincoln stores which have curtained cubicles. The store in Lincoln had a man sat in the middle of the changing area waiting for his girlfriend to change so he could approve outfits. The one in Meadowhall had men changing in it who hadn’t fully closed the curtains while changing. This was next to the women’s swimwear/holiday clothing area.
Isn’t it extraordinary that M&S would prefer a drop in the sale of women’s clothes, rather than get off the fence and have fitting rooms exclusively for women. Talk about being ideologically captured and hugely disappointing - not to say potentially downright dangerous. I won’t be buying any clothes or indeed food from M&S ever again and neither will any of my female friends. Great bit of advertising for a publicly listed company - how arrogant can you get? Doesn’t M&S have a duty of care to its share holders>
In English idiom 'trying it on' means "to deceive someone or behave badly, especially in order to discover how much of your bad behaviour will be allowed". So, calling changing rooms "trying on spaces" is uncannily accurate. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/try-it-on
Fantastic work, thank you. I’ve been writing to them for years and leafleting locally. All I’ve ever managed is to nearly get myself banned from the entire shopping centre after M and S identified me from cc tv.
M&S female customers should use the fitting rooms in pairs. One to change and the other to pepper spray any man that seeks to enter
Mixed sex changing rooms! Why does everything, have to be perverted.
My god the BRAZEN LYING from M&S. We all know that it has always til very recently titled its changing rooms clearly by sex. And some still do, as you have shown. I’ll gladly go to court about thjs.
Boycott!
Nobody should buy clothes from M&S anyway. Ill fitting garbage.
Thanks and well done pursuing M&S.
You also provided me with a good headline 😀
https://dustymasterson.substack.com/p/letters-from-iwo-jima
Dusty
I’d also say that M&S typically have different floors and areas for male and female clothing, so for men to use the changing area in the women’s clothing section is bizarre or blasé
I think you misunderstand… the men (that are problematic) would be trying on women’s clothes. If they have to take their selection to a different floor, in order to try them on… that’s a problem for the store (a very small, tiny problem), as well as the man (or e.g. trans-woman). Though I agree that men should not be permitted into a women’s changing room, I also feel men should get to try any clothes they like… I guess a third space (unisex) needs to be provided, at least on the women’s wear floor.
Okay, wow, now everyone is misunderstanding me! Pippa: there is undoubtedly a small minority of men, who shop for women's clothes. Otherwise there wouldn't be this whole gender/trans mishigas. Lisa: I don't advocate for men to use women's spaces, nor even to have a third space. I just pointed out that if a man is shopping for dresses, and wants to try one on, and there's no men's changing room nearby (or even on the same floor), it is the store's option to have a third space (or a men's changing room on the women's floor) to accommodate that man, to get the sale. (Or they could let these men take their chosen dress to a different floor, where the men's changing rooms are) The store should of course be free to ignore the needs of such men, and lose the sale (not that it would amount to much in losses). No doubt I agree with this: men should not be changing in the women's changing rooms!
Why should the store have to pay for a third space?? This is the same argument being made to museums, libraries, concert halls, gyms, etc., that they have to pony up money to accommodate these delusional, predatory men.
No.
Men go to men's rooms and women to women's. I don't care how "inconvenient" it is for these cockfrockers.
NEXT stores also operate mixed sex changing areas. I’ve visited Meadowhall and Lincoln stores which have curtained cubicles. The store in Lincoln had a man sat in the middle of the changing area waiting for his girlfriend to change so he could approve outfits. The one in Meadowhall had men changing in it who hadn’t fully closed the curtains while changing. This was next to the women’s swimwear/holiday clothing area.
Maybe UK patriots will visit Archie when he’s vulnerable ??
Isn’t it extraordinary that M&S would prefer a drop in the sale of women’s clothes, rather than get off the fence and have fitting rooms exclusively for women. Talk about being ideologically captured and hugely disappointing - not to say potentially downright dangerous. I won’t be buying any clothes or indeed food from M&S ever again and neither will any of my female friends. Great bit of advertising for a publicly listed company - how arrogant can you get? Doesn’t M&S have a duty of care to its share holders>
M&S apparently willing to risk its hoards of disaffected middle aged women customers abandoning them and taking their credit cards to H&M instead
In English idiom 'trying it on' means "to deceive someone or behave badly, especially in order to discover how much of your bad behaviour will be allowed". So, calling changing rooms "trying on spaces" is uncannily accurate. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/try-it-on
Fantastic work, thank you. I’ve been writing to them for years and leafleting locally. All I’ve ever managed is to nearly get myself banned from the entire shopping centre after M and S identified me from cc tv.
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Boycott them. They are struggling with their clothes sales. Food is the only thing making money. Tired of these people.